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If we're talking about pipelines, then that's the answer. But if we're  education. Because we know now in New Brunswick we're going
        talking about electrical transmission, that's the answer as well for  to have in the next 10 years about 120,000 people retire and
        Quebec and Manitoba for hydropower. If we're talking about gas,  we're  going  to  have  that  kind  of  job  shortage,  a  work  force
        it's the answer in that as well. But it binds the country in a way  shortage of about a third, and it is across the board in different
        that we have consideration one province to another. That's why  skills.
        I've spent a lot of time out West and dealing with my colleagues
                                                             Our programs within our departments are laying out a program to
        across Canada because we've lost concept of being a nation and
                                                             identify where these skill shortages are. We're working on an
        we've become individualized. That's also the reason I tie their
                                                             immigration program which we feel is key to a lot of this, but in
        transfer payments with our interest in helping provinces succeed
                                                             New Brunswick we're assessing who's here, who's training, who's
        because today's political environment is that people will seem to
                                                             going to stay here, if somebody left, why did you leave? What are
        promise anything to get elected. I didn't do any of that when I was
                                                             the barriers we have for success here for other companies to
        running and people say, "Well, you'll never get elected." I said,
                                                             invest  in  our  province?  With  Opportunities  New  Brunswick,  a
        "Well if that's the case, I don't want to be elected." Here I am. It
                                                             government agency, we're revamping it so that they are tied very
        wasn't pretty, but we're here in minority government and we're
                                                             closely  with  small  businesses,  large  businesses,  in  order  to
        doing what we believe is right and that's what we will continue to
                                                             assess the needs and then work with departments or universities
        do as long as we're here.
                                                             or community colleges to then develop the programs needed. It’s
        Peter:                                               not a quick fix, it's a long-term vision, and that's been the other
        The UA and Irving Oil created a partnership to train apprentices  challenge is that governments typically only have a four-year vision
        called the reward program. This program enables these young  and it's kind of how do you survive. For me it's not a matter of
        people to build an apprenticeship and skilled trades career while  survival, it's how do you get something done?
        remaining  at  home.  How  important  is  skills  development
                                                             Peter:
        apprenticeships to Canada and what is your government doing to
                                                             There  is  concern  with  the  wave  of  conservative  governments
        attract,  train,  and  retain  people  in  the  skilled  trades  in  New
                                                             elected at the provincial level that some are talking about right-to-
        Brunswick?
                                                             work style legislation. What is your government's position on this
        Premier Higgs:                                       and  how  important  are  stable  labour  relations  to  the  New
        Firstly, it's absolutely critical because it builds a pathway for career  Brunswick economy?
        development and a knowledge base that you can hit the ground
                                                             Premier Higgs:
        running when you graduate. We're analyzing right now every aspect
                                                             It's critical, but there also has to be an ownership. I meet with
        of our community college programs. We're looking and connecting
                                                             different  folks  at  different  unions  and  different  labour
        with industry in terms of their needs. We've defined basically a
                                                             organizations.  This is so different than where I worked all of the
        10-15-year program that is saying, "Where are our gaps in terms
                                                             years because in government we're distributing taxpayer money
        of capabilities?" Whether it be in the trades or in health or in
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